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8 prominent doctors & scientists engage in a remarkable exchange
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half deep in coving let me start with
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you dr urso um basically the world is
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looking at delta we’re seeing delta
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right we are seeing a spread of delta
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right now you go anywhere people like
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delta delta delta
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cdc officials said we’re all going to
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get delta
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should we be scared is delta upon us are
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we in a permanent pandemic right now
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yeah great question rob uh i think it’s
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like second song same song second verse
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we’re gonna keep seeing variance it’s
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normal i don’t i don’t expect that not
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to not to change we’re vaccinating in a
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very narrow framework and so when you
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vaccinate just the spike
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you’re going to get variance because we
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are doing a very
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specific treatment what you’re seeing
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now in the delta variant is you’re
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seeing the same thing just a small
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change
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will allow the virus to mutate and get
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around that and you’re going to see this
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happen over and over again dr malone
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kind of building off of that i think it
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would be fair to say um we’re seeing all
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these variants and i think the question
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people often ask is why
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this is really controversial there’s a
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lot of discussion
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that it’s this is a pandemic of the
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unvaccinated
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and the unvaccinated are the ones that
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are driving these escape mutants
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that from a from a
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fundamental evolutionary standpoint as a
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molecular virologist this doesn’t make
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sense
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this virus now is known to mutate throw
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off mutants at a much higher rate than
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we expected it to be so there
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are
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very many mutants there the virus is
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evolving very rapidly
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this is akin to what happens if you
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overuse antibiotics
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so in some
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what we’re doing with universal
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vaccination
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is driving towards this endpoint
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of vaccine-resistant mutants we don’t
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have to so it would sound like also the
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idea almost we’re on the defensive we’re
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trying to defensively
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vaccinate our way out of something that
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we’re already deeply in here’s my
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optimistic view on delta yes delta’s new
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variant is shaped differently
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technically it has escaped the
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antibodies from the vaccine so we give a
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shot give another shot and say we’re
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going to give a booster with the same
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shot for a virus that existed five
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variants ago
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it’s like saying to healthcare workers
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we’re going to give you a flu shot for
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the upcoming flu season but we have
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leftover flu vaccines from four or five
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years ago in the freezer
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illogical no common sense in that
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whatsoever so the variant has escaped it
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and if you use a vaccine-only approach
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you select for these variants my
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optimistic point is delta is a wildfire
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a lot of people are going to get it if
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you look at countries that handled it
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right the death rates from delta and
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many in most countries were far lower
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from this variant than other variants so
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i want to give that optimistic message
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does it mean people aren’t going to sit
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get sick not be hospitalized not going
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to die no it doesn’t mean that
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but what we do need to look at i know dr
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corey will address this is early
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treatments because if you’ve been
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vaccinated i think scientifically we
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need to be 100 honest with everybody and
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say
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even if you’re vaccinated or you’re not
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we can equal opportunity get the virus
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now vaccinated or not and the vaccinated
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can carry equal or higher viral loads