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So we just rewatched the entirety of this interview
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that we’re about to play with Robert Kennedy Jr.,
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and to be completely honest, the first couple of minutes,
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if you’re not used to the way his voice sounds,
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you can think to yourself, well, I’m having
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trouble understanding this.
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Our strong advice to you is to keep listening.
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It is worth it.
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There’s a lot in here, and you should hear all of it.
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Welcome to Tucker Carlson Today.
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Our next guest, Robert Kennedy Jr.,
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doesn’t need much of an introduction.
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He’s been familiar to most Americans for a very long time.
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I would just add two things.
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One, he is one of the bravest, most impressive people
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I personally have ever met.
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And two, he is a remarkable journalist.
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20 years ago, when his first cousin, Michael Skakel,
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was convicted of murder and sentenced to 20 years to life,
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Bobby Kennedy Jr. wrote maybe one of the great magazine
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pieces of all time, 2003, in The Atlantic,
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convincing many skeptics, including the one now speaking,
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that actually this was a miscarriage of justice.
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Effectively proving his cousin’s innocence
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in that case against a surging tide of media opposition.
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That rarely happens in journalism,
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and it suggested a kind of rigor of thinking,
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and intensity, and commitment to the facts
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that he has brought to his latest book.
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And that’s the subject of today’s interview.
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The book is called “The Real Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates,
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Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health.”
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We are honored to have Bobby Kennedy Jr.
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in the studio with us today.
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Bobby, thanks so much for coming on.
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Tucker, thanks so much for having me.
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So I mean, this is the question I think everyone asks
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when they first read about you, why would
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you do something like this?
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You’re– you’re well known.
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You could spend the rest of your life just,
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I don’t know, being feted by famous people.
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There’s absolutely no reason to stick your finger in the eye
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of the people who run the country by writing a book like
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this, but you did it in anyway.
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Why?
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Well, I think, you know, look, what’s happened in this country
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over the last year, this kind of this bizarre imposition
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of totalitarian controls, a deconstruction
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of the Constitution, the– the rise of censorship,
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the rise of suppression of kind of religious freedoms,
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of property rights, closing a million businesses without just
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compensation or due process, the abolition of jury trials,
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which are guaranteed the Sixth and Seventh
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Amendment for any vaccine company that hurts you,
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all of these–
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and the rise of kind of track-and-trace surveillance
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state, has been troubling to people,
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both Democrats and Republicans.
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People who support vaccines, people who oppose them,
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are looking at this and wondering what’s happened.
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And I felt like I was in a unique position
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to interpret and to explain to people what had happened.
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I’ve been working as an environmental lawyer
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for 40 years, so I understand all of these mechanisms
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of corporate capture, by which regulatory agencies assert
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control over the–
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I mean, regulating industries assert control
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over the agencies that are supposed
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to regulate them, and essentially
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turn them into sock puppets.
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And I’ve been working on vaccine issues since 2005.
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And the kind of regulatory capture that you see
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in that space is really capture on steroids,
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because these agencies, FDA gets 45% of its budget
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from vaccine companies, from the industry.
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Wait, may I pause you?
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The FDA gets 45% of its budget from vaccine companies?
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From pharmaceutical companies.
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And it’s like if the EPA got half of its budget
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from the coal companies, if you can imagine what the–
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I spent probably–
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20% of the lawsuits of the hundreds of lawsuits that I
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brought as an environmental lawyer
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were against the EPA for sweetheart,
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you know, arrangements, for giving permits to oil
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companies that were illegal.
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And you can imagine how much worse that capture
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would be if half of EPA’S budget came
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from oil and coal companies.
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That’s what you’re dealing with the pharmaceutical space.
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Not only that, CDC, which is another one of the HHS
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agencies, spends $4.9 billion annually of its $12 billion
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budget buying and distributing vaccines.
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So it’s really a vaccine company.
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It’s not a regulatory agency.
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That’s about 40% of its budget.
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NIH– CDC, has vaccine patents, so the–
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the vaccines that it’s pushing–
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57 vaccine patents– is making royalties on.
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NIH has thousands of patents, many of them for vaccines.
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For example, Tony Fauci’s agency owns half of the Moderna
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patent, and stands to make billions
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and billions of dollars on sales of the Moderna vaccine.
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Or Tony Fauci’s top aides also have patent rights to Moderna,
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so Tony Fauci can– can assign patent rights to his favored,
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you know, loyalists within his agency,
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and they then get to keep $150,000 a year
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for the rest of their lives on a product they’re
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supposed to be regulating.
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Tony Fauci owns patents on drugs he has developed.
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And so, it’s– the regulatory function has been essentially
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subsumed by the– the commercial and mercantile aspects
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of vaccine production, and vaccine manufacturing,
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and vaccine uptake.
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And if you– within HHS, the way that you get promotions,
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and raises, and, you know, salary, bonuses, et cetera,
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is by contributing to the crusade for vaccine uptake.
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You do not get promoted for finding problems with vaccines.
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And that’s actually what we’re– we,
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as a taxpayer, are paying these regulators to do,
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but they’re not doing it.
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And so, I had kind of a unique perspective
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on what was happening at the beginning of 2020,
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and, you know, was able to kind of
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predict how they were going to handle
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this, how they would suppress.
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I’ve watched Tony, I’ve known Tony Fauci for years.
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TUCKER CARLSON: You know Fauci personally?
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ROBERT KENNEDY JR: Yeah, I’ve met Fauci personally,
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but my family has these deep entanglements
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with his health agency.
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He’s my, you know, my–
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my uncle– my uncles literally wrote
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the legislation that created a lot of these agencies.
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My uncle Teddy, for 50 years was the chair of the Health
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Committee, so he was writing the budgets
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for you know Tony Fauci, and Francis Collins,
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and all these agencies for years.
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Some of the key institutions within NIH and HHS
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are named for members of my family, you know, Shriver, my–
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my grandmother Rose Kennedy, and, you know, we’ve
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had these deep entanglements.
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So I know Tony Fauci, but I also am very conscious of the fact
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that his officials really do not do public health so much
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as pharmaceutical production.
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Tony Fauci has transformed NIH into an incubator
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for pharmaceutical products.
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Oh, he’s supposed to be doing– what Congress intended him
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to do is to try to track the etiology of allergic diseases,
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and chronic diseases, and infectious diseases.
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And then figure out–
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do the kind of science we need to stop those diseases.
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Since he came in– in 1968, we’ve gone from about 6%
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of Americans having chronic disease to by– by 2006, 54%.
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What do I mean by–
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TUCKER CARLSON: What?
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ROBERT KENNEDY JR: What do I mean by chronic disease?
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There’s three major categories, and obesity.
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But one, is neurodevelopmental diseases–
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ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay,
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ticks, Tourette’s syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD and autism.
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If you’re my age, I’m 67 years old,
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I never heard of any of those diseases when I was a kid.
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I didn’t know anybody–
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I, you know, I’ve been around.
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I was at the spear tip of–
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of working with people with intellectual disabilities.
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My family started Special Olympics.
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I never saw an autistic kid prior to 1989.
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I still don’t know a single person my age who
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has full-blown autism, and by that, I
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mean nonverbal, non-toilet-trained,
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headbanging, [inaudible],, talking.
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In my generation, it’s about one in 10,000 who have autism.
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And my kids’ generation, according to the CDC,
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it’s one in every 34, one in every 22 boys.
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Tony Fauci’s job is to figure out why that happened.
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Because when Congress and the EPA–
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TUCKER CARLSON: Those are amazing statistics.
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When Congress said, EPA, tell us
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what year the autism epidemic began,
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EPA scientists came back and said 1989.
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Oh, but 1989 was also– they said
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there’s a red line that year.
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And 1989, a lot of other stuff started, like food allergies.
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I didn’t– I had 11 siblings, and about 71st cousins.
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I didn’t know anybody with a food allergy.
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Peanut allergy?
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Why do five of my kids have food allergies?
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Eczema.
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The allergic– you have a neurodevelopment disease,
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you have the allergic diseases like asthma, anaphylaxis, food
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allergies, peanut allergies, food allergies,
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exploded beginning in 1989.
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The– and then the last category is
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autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis,
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juvenile diabetes.
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I didn’t know anybody who had diabetes when I was a kid.
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Today, there are diabetic kids in every classroom.
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There is about 70 autoimmune diseases
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that have become, at some level, epidemic since 1989.
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Tony Fauci’s job is to tell us where they’re coming from.
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We know it has to be an environmental toxin, because
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genes do not cause epidemics.
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TUCKER CARLSON: So true.
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They may provide a vulnerability,
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but you need an environmental toxin,
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and there’s a limited number of them.
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There’s– there’s a guy called Phil
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Landrigan who is a very famous toxicologist in New York,
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and he–
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he looked at these this cascade of–
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of chronic diseases that began, you know,
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in the beginning of the 1990s.
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And he looked at the timing for exposure
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to certain environmental toxins.
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And he came down out with about 11 of them.
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And he said, you know, essentially it
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has to be one of these, because they’re
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the only ones that became ubiquitous
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across all populations.
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You had the same impact on Cuban children
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in Key Biscayne, Miami, and with kids in Homer, Alaska,
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all at the same time.
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What could that be?
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It could be glyphosate, which is,
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you know, the product in Roundup, which became
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ubiquitous around that time.
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It could be neonicotinoid pesticides.
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It could be PFOAs, which is the flame retardant,
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which also became ubiquitous.
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It could be cell phones.
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It could be Wi-Fi.
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It could be ultrasound.
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He comes out with about 11 of those.
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But one of the key suspects has to be vaccines,
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because the vaccines schedule, you know,
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we went from having three vaccines
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that I took when I was a kid, I was fully compliant, to the 72
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doses of 16 vaccines that are kids now are mandated to take
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if they want to stay in school.
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And that really began– it began in 1986,
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when they passed the vaccine act and gave complete shield
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from liability to all vaccine companies,
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so that if you’re a vaccine company
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and you injure somebody, no matter how grievous the injury,
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no matter how reckless your conduct,
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no matter how negligent you were,
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no matter how toxic the ingredient, nobody can sue you.
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So there’s no depositions, there’s no discovery,
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there’s no class actions, and there’s no incentive for you
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to make that product safe.
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TUCKER CARLSON: May I ask, is there any other manufacturer,
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distributors, or any other product that has that kind
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of liability protection.
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There is liability protection, there is a cap
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with nuclear power plants.
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And that’s called the Price Anderson Act.
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Congress– you know, the insurance
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company wouldn’t insure them, which was
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the problem with the vaccines.
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It wasn’t a bunch of hippies who looked at the vaccines
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and said they’re dangerous.
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It was the insurance companies who said,
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you are too dangerous for us to insure.
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And Pfizer, what happened is, Pfizer, which was then called
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Wyeth, had a product in the early ’80s,
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when they started ramping up vaccines,
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and it was a diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine,
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a DTP vaccine, they knew that there
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was an injury rate because people
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started reporting injuries.
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But CDC was telling the world it was one in a million,
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the serious injuries.
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Their internal documents show that they
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believed it was one in 15,000, who got permanent brain
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injury or death.
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But then they– they–
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NIH, and Wyeth, and UCLA funded a study at UCLA,
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where they started– where they really did a controlled study
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and they immediately found it was one in every 300 kids.
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The result of that, Pfizer, Wyeth at that time,
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was saying we are paying $30 in downstream liability.
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For every dollar, we’re making a profit.
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They went to the Reagan administration
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and to the Democrats in Congress.
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This was, you know, everybody was at fault here.
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And they said, if you don’t give us blanket freedom
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from liability, we are going to stop making vaccines
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and you will be out of a vaccine supply.
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So Congress passed and Reagan signed.
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Everybody was reluctant to do it.
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But Reagan actually said to the company,
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why don’t you just make the vaccine safe?
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And–
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[shared laughter]
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Good question!
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And Wyeth said that because vaccines
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are unavoidably unsafe.
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And that phrase, unavoidably unsafe,
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is in the preamble to the Vaccine Act.
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And it is also part of the Supreme Court case in–
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in Dershowitz, that essentially gave legal sanction–
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[inaudible] that gave legal sanction to,
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you know, to the freedom from liability.
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So once that happened, it was a Gold Rush, because the vaccine
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company said, holy cow!
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Now, we’ve got a product that is free from the biggest
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cause for every other medical– every medicine kills somebody.
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There’s vulnerable subgroups.
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So.
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And it is– for most medicines, it’s their biggest
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cost, paying those liabilities.
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So now the company said, holy cow!
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Now, we’re completely free from that cost.
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They also– vaccines are the only company–
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the only product that never has to be safety-tested.
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And the reason for that, it’s an artifact of the CDC’s legacy
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as the Public Health Service, which
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was a quasi-military agency.
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That’s why people at the CDC have
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military ranks, like surgeon general,
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and they wear uniforms.
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And because it always had– the health agencies are tied–
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are very closely aligned with the military.
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And the vaccine program was conceived
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as a national security defense against biological attacks
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on our countries.
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So they wanted to make sure that if the Russians attacked us
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with anthrax or some other biological agent,
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we could quickly formulate a vaccine,
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distribute it to 200 million American civilians
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with no regulatory impediments.
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And so, they said, if we call this a medicine,
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we’re going to have to do– test it like you test medicines,
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which is usually a five-year placebo-controlled randomized
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double blind study.
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And you do it for five years because many medicine
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injuries have long incubation periods
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or long diagnostic horizons.
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So you need that long period of time
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to really make a cost-benefit analysis over the long term
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of you saving lives.
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They said, we can’t afford to do that.
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So their solution was, we won’t call it a medicine,
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we’ll call it a biologic and we’ll exempt it
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biologics from safety testing.
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Now, none of the 72 vaccines that is currently mandated
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for our children has ever been safely-tested against a placebo
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in pre-clinical trials.
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I made that statement for many years,
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and Tony Fauci said that I was wrong.
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I met with Tony Fauci in 2016, and Francis Collins,
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with somebody from the Trump White House present,
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and I was with Del Bigtree, and Aaron Siri, and Lynn Redwood,
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who a nurse practitioner.
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And I made that–
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I reiterated that statement to them.
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There’s never been a single pre-clinical trial,
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a randomized controlled-placebo testing
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for any of the 72 vaccines.
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They said, in front of the White House observer, you’re wrong.
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And I said to them, show me one.
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I knew they didn’t exist unless they had them locked in a safe,
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because I asked for them on Freedom
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of Information Requests, and they hadn’t
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been able to produce them.
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Oh, they just said, you’re wrong.
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We’ll get them to you.
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And they never did.
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It’s the last I heard from them.
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So we sued them, Del, and Aaron, and me for [inaudible]..
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We sued them, and after a year, in 2017,
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after a year of litigation, HHS came back and said,
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you’re right.
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We’ve never done any.
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So nobody knows the risk profile for any of those vaccines.
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So nobody can tell you with a scientific certainty
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whether any of those products are
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causing more deaths and injuries than they’re averting.
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People say I’m anti-vaccine.
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I’m not.
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I’m pro-science and pro safety testing.
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I’m pro-science and pro safety testing.
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If there’s a vaccine that is shown to work in a preclinic
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or in a randomized placebo-controlled trial,
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I 100% would support it.
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And by work I mean, if after five years
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the vaccinated cohort is healthier
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than the unvaccinated cohort.
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TUCKER CARLSON: Well, exactly.
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That’s really what we need to know.
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TUCKER CARLSON: May I ask you a question?
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Can I just ask you?
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You are effectively defending science, the scientific method,
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the free inquiry that’s the basis of science.
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I couldn’t agree with you more.
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The beginning of this whole thing I
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asked the obvious question with the VAERS numbers.
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Like, what– every medicine kills somebody.
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That is demonstrably true.
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Advil kills people.
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So, like, what’s the– what’s the harm–
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demonstrated harm of this vaccine?
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Nobody wants to ask that question.
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Nobody wants to hear it posed.
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People become hysterical on both sides if you ask that question.
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You’ve been the– borne the brunt
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of that hysteria for years.
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What is that– what’s the psychology
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that leads people to say, I don’t want
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to know about the downside?
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ROBERT KENNEDY JR: Well, let me talk– because you mentioned
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the VAERS number thing.
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The VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
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TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.
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What the HHS rationale is, is that,
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yes, we didn’t do adequate safety trials.
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They are abbreviated, and they’re–
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you know, they’re abbreviated.
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They’re too short to actually do safety trials,
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but if there are– and they’re they were stratified,
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and there weren’t certain age groups.
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So you don’t know what the risk factor
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is, really know what the risk factor is for older people.
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Turns out if you’re over 70, your risk from COVID
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are 1,000 times greater than if you’re under 70 years old.
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And that’s really important when you craft public health policy.
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TUCKER CARLSON: [laughter]
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To have that kind of information, right?
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TUCKER CARLSON: Yes!
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Because your strategy for children
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should be completely different than your strategy from adults.
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They didn’t have that kind of stratification in that study
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where you could look– you could look at each of those cohorts
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and make those kind of, you know, calculations.
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Oh, what HHS and the public health
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agencies said, we will figure that out post-licensing.
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If– we will start giving these vaccines to millions of people,
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and we will then see if people are harmed.
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The problem is, the system, the surveillance system that they
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have, which is the only one, you know,
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that they’ve had for years, the Vaccine
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Adverse Event Reporting System.
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Now the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System,
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which we’ll call VAERS, has collected
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a humongous number of injuries.
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It’s a voluntary system, so the doctor or somebody injured
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has to call in.
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And it takes about 30 minutes to make up the, you know, to–
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to go through the process.
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And there’s no real penalty if you skip it.
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So a lot of doctors don’t recognize vaccine injury.
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They don’t– they have an incentive not to report it
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because they just give your kid the shot, and they said
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it’s going to save his life.
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And if instead he’s in a wheelchair, crippled,
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they don’t really want to acknowledge it was the vaccine.
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They just say that happens.
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So that happened, that kind of non-reporting is epidemic.
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So the– in– but nevertheless there have been 17,000 deaths
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reported to VAERS from the COVID vaccines.
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And that’s more deaths in the last eight months
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than all of the deaths from all vaccines,
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the billions and billions of vaccines combined,
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over the past 30 years.
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So this vaccine is– appears to be killing more people
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than all vaccines combined.
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There’s more reports of deaths following vaccination.
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Here is the problem, it’s that the system doesn’t work.
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It’s designed, in fact, to fail.
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It’s designed to undercount injuries by as much as 99%.
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Why do I say that?
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Because HHS did a study on the system in 2010.
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People can look it up.
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It’s called Lazarus, et al.
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And they published it.
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And they spent millions of dollars on this study.
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And they looked at one HMO, and what they did
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is they designed a machine counting system.
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How does a machine counting system work?
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You take– the HMO has all the deaths, has–
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has all the records of all the medical claims of all
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their patients, and they have the vaccine
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records down to batch number.
24:46
So every vaccine that patient took, they know.
24:50
So it’s quite easy to use AI to do a cluster analysis.
24:55
And compare whether people who got this batch of this vaccine
24:58
are getting more diabetes, or autism,
25:00
or ADD, or rheumatoid arthritis, or autoimmune disease,
25:04
whatever.
25:05
You can do in an instant.
25:08
So they designed a system like that,
25:10
and they used it on the Harvard Pilgrim HMO in Boston.
25:16
And then they compared it to what VAERS was getting.
25:18
And what they found was that VAERS–
25:22
that the vaccine injuries were actually very, very common.
25:25
They were happening about one out
25:27
of every 40 people per vaccine, and that VAERS
25:31
was missing more than 99%.
25:34
So the conclusion of that study is fewer than 1%
25:38
of vaccine injuries are reported.
25:41
Now, the interesting thing is they have that machine counting
25:44
system, and they were going to roll
25:46
it out to all the other HMOs.
25:49
But when CDC saw the results, the frightening, alarming
25:54
results, they killed that study.
25:57
And they refused to answer the phone
25:59
calls of Lazarus and his team.
26:02
And Lazarus and his team, were, you know,
26:04
they were people from Harvard, and they
26:06
were members of another health agency that is also within HHS.
26:12
So the CDC stopped talking to its fellow agency
26:18
because it didn’t like the news they were trying to give.
26:20
It’s called the agency for Health–
26:23
Health Research Quality, HRQ.
26:27
And how do I know this?
26:30
Because if you look up the Lazarus study,
26:32
the last lines in it say, CDC, when
26:36
we showed them the results– they were very proud
26:38
that they had done this.
26:39
When CDC showed them–
26:41
when they show the results the CDC,
26:43
they said the CDC officials in charge
26:47
of this project refused to answer
26:50
our phone calls afterwards.
26:52
Oh, they just shut them down, because they saw something
26:55
that they did not want the public
26:56
to know about vaccine safety.
27:00
So in– in the book, you– and even in the title
27:03
of the book you make the connection between
27:05
Tony Fauci and Bill Gates.
27:07
So for our viewers who are not familiar with that connection,
27:10
can you give us a sense of what it is and why– why it matters?
27:13
ROBERT KENNEDY JR: In 2000, Tony Fauci flew
27:16
out to Seattle, Washington.
27:19
And he had this meeting, this very strange meeting,
27:23
in Bill Gates’ $85 million mansion on the banks
27:29
of Lake Washington.
27:32
And Gates brought him into his library, and he said,
27:34
I want to propose a partnership with you.
27:36
And the partnership was to try to vaccinate all of humanity.
27:41
And they ended up calling that, in 2009 they
27:45
rechristened the program, The Decade of Vaccines.
27:49
Gates went to the UN and gave this speech in which he
27:53
promised to vaccinate essentially all of humanity
27:57
with a multiple battery of vaccines by 2020.
28:01
And he began asserting–
28:04
using his philanthropy to create a series
28:08
of other quasi-governmental agencies, CEPI, GAVI, and–
28:16
and a number of others, and then to gain control of the WHO.
28:22
And what– he calls what he does philanthro capitalism.
28:27
It’s not about philanthropy.
28:29
It’s about enriching the capitalists.
28:33
What he does is he buys–
28:36
and he does this in a number of areas, I show it in the book.
28:39
He does it with food.
28:40
He did it with the core curriculum.
28:42
He has large stakes in companies that could benefit
28:49
from a change in governmental policies, a worldwide change
28:51
in governmental policy.
28:52
So he owns stakes, very, very large stakes,
28:55
in almost all the big pharmaceutical companies.
28:59
And he gives essentially about a billion dollars to–
29:03
to WHO every year, but through Rotary International,
29:08
through GAVI, through CEPI, and through the Gates Foundation.
29:11
But they’re sort of– the accumulative
29:13
is even larger than the US, which is the second biggest.
29:17
That gives him control over WHO’s policies.
29:21
Oh, you know, the analysis of WHO say there is nothing that
29:25
goes through WHO that is not vetted
29:28
first by the Gates Foundation.
29:31
And WHO controls the HIV money, and it funds the health agency
29:39
in most African countries.
29:42
So they are completely reliant on those annual checks
29:44
from WHO.
29:46
And what Gates and WHO do–
29:49
or WHO and Gates at the head, because a lot of people on WHO
29:52
do not want to do this.
29:54
He’s taken them away from their traditional occupations, which
29:57
was economic development, hygiene, food
30:01
supply, food production, and local democracy,
30:06
and local control.
30:07
So WHO does very little of those things now,
30:10
and they really focus–
30:12
over 50% of their budget focuses on one of Gates’ vaccines,
30:15
one only, the polio vaccine.
30:18
But it was a flawed vaccine.
30:21
The polio vaccine, according to WHO’s own number,
30:25
causes 70% of the polio on Earth every year.
30:29
So it’s not a successful vaccine.
30:32
But what he does then is he–
30:36
he, through WHO, WHO will go in and say to the African country,
30:43
if you want your annual check from us,
30:46
here’s what you’ve got to do.
30:47
You have to show an 80% uptake of the DTP vaccine.
30:52
The DTP vaccine we don’t use in white countries, United States.
30:57
That’s the vaccine that was killing
30:59
one out of every 300 kids.
31:00
We got rid of it.
31:01
The Europeans got rid of it.
31:02
But Gates gives 161 million African children
31:06
that vaccine every year.
31:09
And what he’ll say is, he’ll say–
31:13
the WHO will say to this country,
31:15
you don’t get your HIV money, you don’t
31:17
get your system’s money for–
31:20
to run your health agency unless you can show us
31:24
you vaccinated 80% of your kids.
31:27
And that’s a– that’s a hypothetical number,
31:31
but it will be something like that, with the DTP vaccine.
31:35
Then they get the–
31:38
so those countries that are forced to buy that vaccine.
31:40
And that vaccine, they have to purchase it, ultimately,
31:43
from one of the companies that Gates is heavily invested in.
31:46
And Gates is– you know, so what he– he has a $33 billion
31:51
corpus that he’s put in the Gates Foundation,
31:54
but it’s still his money.
31:56
He’s still controlling it.
31:59
And it’s now tax deductible, it’s shielded from taxes.
32:02
And he is now deploying it to change government policies
32:07
in a way that enriches companies that he’s
32:09
elsewhere invested in.
32:11
And that’s the– he does the same thing with food.
32:14
He’s switched many, many–
32:16
millions and millions of Africans from subsistence
32:19
farming that they’ve been doing successfully for, you know,
32:22
10,000 generations to GMO crops, to heavily, you know,
32:27
lots of inputs, chemical agriculture,
32:32
carbon-based fertilizers, that all have to be imported
32:34
by his companies like–
32:36
he has huge investments in Monsanto,
32:40
in Cargill, and in the processed food companies that are then
32:44
buying those commodities cheap, like Coca-Cola,
32:46
McDonald’s, and Kraft cheese.
32:49
Those kind of things.
32:50
So the more you look at it, the more corrupt it gets.
32:55
But his deal with Tony Fauci, you know,
32:59
which I go into in detail what the result–
33:02
the– the outcome for that bargain on the lives and health
33:09
of millions and millions of Africans and South Asians
33:13
has been absolutely catastrophic.
33:16
TUCKER CARLSON: Why do you–
33:16
I mean, not to get to motive.
33:18
This is an exhaustively reported book that I–
33:20
I can’t recommend strongly enough.
33:24
But I have to ask, what do you think motivates,
33:26
apart from the profit, the profit motive that you just
33:29
explained, but there does seem to be
33:31
an ideological fervor behind these vaccination campaigns.
33:36
Like it seems there’s a religious quality to it.
33:38
Am I imagining this?
33:39
ROBERT KENNEDY JR: The religious quality to– right,
33:41
to the orthodoxy.
33:43
You know, what motivates is pretty simple,
33:45
which is power, which has motivated, you know,
33:48
bad behavior and good behavior for, you know, since–
33:53
since human beings love to eat, right?
33:56
In fact, that’s why we got kicked out of Eden.
33:58
TUCKER CARLSON: [laughs] I noticed.
34:00
ROBERT KENNEDY JR: So that’s–
34:02
you know, it’s not a mystery that people
34:03
want to accumulate power.
34:05
Bill Gates is not interested in money in terms of currency.
34:09
He’s not sitting there, you know,
34:10
making big piles of bills.
34:13
People accumulate money so that they can have power
34:16
over their lives, over their environment,
34:17
over their health, their food, but ultimately,
34:20
over other people.
34:22
And some, you know, if you’re a sociopath or if you’re–
34:28
even people who are very, very well motivated, you know,
34:31
want to have power because they believe that–
34:34
that they have a unique opportunity or unique ability
34:38
to improve people’s lives.
34:40
So whatever– you know, and I don’t one thing I don’t do,
34:43
there’s 2,200 footnotes in that book.
34:47
Everything is cited and sourced.
34:50
And what I do is I show conduct.
34:54
I do not try to look into people’s heads.
34:56
TUCKER CARLSON: I noticed that.
34:57
No, I– I noticed that, but–
34:59
ROBERT KENNEDY JR: You were asking about the orthodoxy,
35:01
and, you know, you and I actually
35:03
talked about this another time.
35:06
That orthodoxy is– you know, why
35:10
do people have this religious fervor
35:12
when it comes to vaccine?
35:13
Why can’t I sit down with my friends, my liberal friends,
35:19
and have a fact-based conversation?
35:21
Why do I have to be silenced?
35:23
Why am I– why do people consider me dangerous?
35:27
Or that you’re taking a huge risk
35:30
by putting me on this show?
35:33
Why do people–
35:34
Why can’t we do what, you know, you’re supposed to do
35:37
in a democracy, which is to have,
35:40
you know, to, I mean, ultimately to find
35:43
common ground with people who disagree with you, to–
35:48
to love your enemy, to have fact-based debates,
35:51
and, you know, that are congenial, and that are–
35:57
you know, and that maybe can resolve
36:00
and maybe not resolve issues?
36:03
And instead, you run– anybody who
36:06
tries to talk about these things runs into something that looks
36:10
like an old-style medieval, religious orthodoxy, which
36:14
is the repetition of the shibboleths.
36:17
Follow of the science!
36:18
Protect granny!
36:20
Stop being selfish!
36:23
And– but a total unwillingness to talk about facts,
36:27
a total unwillingness– an imperviousness
36:30
to factual argument.
36:32
And not only that, but just ferocious
36:35
anger that you are dangerous because you
36:38
have a different point of view than I do.
36:39
And you know, that–
36:43
that kind of orthodoxy has occurred throughout time,
36:46
you know.
36:47
We are kind of designed to embrace orthodoxy during the–
36:52
we’re hardwired for orthodoxy from the, you know,
36:55
20,000th generations.
36:57
We are [inaudible] wandering the African Savannah
37:01
in tiny groups, you know, following a powerful leader,
37:05
at war with all of our neighbors, and, you know,
37:07
having to embrace a unit cohesion
37:11
through a uniform cosmology.
37:15
And anybody on the outgroup was evil and dangerous,
37:18
and anybody on the in group, no matter how badly behaved,
37:20
they had to be defended.
37:22
And it’s tribalism writ large.
37:23
TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.
37:24
And that’s what we’re looking at, you know?
37:26
We’re looking at this polarization and tribalism.
37:30
And I believe a lot of that is strategic, you know?
37:33
And I– what I try to do is completely
37:37
divorce myself from the politics and talk
37:40
to Republicans and Democrats.
37:42
Because I think what we’re seeing now
37:45
is this imposition of these controls that
37:48
have benefited these elites.
37:49
You know, there’s 500 new billionaires
37:53
since the lockdown started.
37:55
There’s been a shift of $3.8 trillion in wealth
38:01
from working people globally to, you
38:04
know, this top rung of billionaires, most of them
38:07
Silicon Valley people.
38:09
Or, you know, from this communications grid who are,
38:15
by the way, tied to the intelligence agencies
38:18
through a variety of– of, you know, different entanglements.
38:22
But you know, it’s Gates, it’s Larry Ellison,
38:26
it’s Sergey Brin from Google, it’s Mark Zuckerberg,
38:31
it’s Bloomberg mainstream and–
38:35
and social media.
38:36
And the weird thing that people don’t seem to see
38:39
is that the people who–
38:42
these people who are cashing in with hundreds of billions
38:49
from lockdowns, are the same people who are censoring
38:53
criticism of the lockdowns.
38:55
And– and, you know–
38:58
TUCKER CARLSON: Kind of a closed loop there, isn’t it?
39:00
ROBERT KENNEDY JR: It’s a closed loop.
39:01
And the [inaudible] thing for them
39:02
is that the Republicans and Democrats are fighting
39:05
with each other, and Blacks and whites are fighting,
39:08
and the polarization, and the anger, and the, you know,
39:12
the bitterness at the ground level is occurring,
39:14
and nobody is noticing they are feeding
39:18
on the corpses of our obliterated middle class,
39:21
and gorging themselves.
39:25
I’m– I’m pulling back from pounding my fist
39:27
on the table in agreement.
39:29
[laughs] I guess the upside of this sad moment
39:34
is people’s minds have gotten open to the point
39:37
where they can hear what you’re saying, which I think
39:38
is absolutely provably true.
39:40
So in the book, you use the phrase coup d’etat against
39:43
liberal democracy repeatedly.
39:46
Worked me into a frenzy as I was reading it.
39:48
Explain, if you would, what you meant by that.
39:51
ROBERT KENNEDY JR: Well, you know, and I mentioned this
39:52
a little earlier, we’ve really seen the systematic demolition
39:57
of our Bill of Rights, OK?
39:59
And you know, it’s literally like it’s systematic.
40:03
And James Madison, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson all
+++
40:03
And James Madison, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson all
40:07
said, we put freedom of speech in the First Amendment,
40:10
because if a government can, you know,
40:14
if they can get rid of that one, then
40:15
they have license to take all–
40:17
to commit any kind of atrocity they want.
40:19
If they– if you can’t criticize them, they can destroy you.
40:24
They’re going to expand their power till there’s
40:25
nothing left for you.
40:27
Freedom of speech, you know, I mean,
40:30
why am I– nobody ever has been able to point
40:34
to a single misstatement I ever made on Instagram.
40:37
You know?
40:39
Everything– we put a huge amount at Children’s Health
40:42
events, huge amounts of–
40:45
of resources into fact checking.
40:47
More than any, as far as I can tell, any other, now,
40:51
you know, any other publication.
40:54
We have on our board a Nobel Prize winner who discovered
41:00
the HIV virus in the 1993, the former head of the National
41:05
Toxicity program on our advisory– scientific advisory
41:08
board, 312 PhD scientists and MDs.
41:13
And they look at what we’re doing,
41:15
and– and we fact check it rigorously.
41:17
We have an entire team that does that.
41:19
Everything I ever put on Instagram
41:22
was sourced to a government database
41:25
or to peer reviewed publication.
41:27
But I got– I got thrown off for vaccine misinformation.
41:31
Because that term does not have anything to do with whether
41:34
it’s a factually correct or not.
41:35
It’s simply a euphemism for anything that departs
41:39
from government proclamations and, you know,
41:41
corporate profit taking.
41:43
If you threaten those things, then you
41:45
are passing on misinformation.
41:47
So anybody who wanted to criticize the government,
41:50
they got rid of.
41:51
That’s why we had the Revolution,
41:53
so that we could criticize the government.
41:55
TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.
41:56
And yet– and we put that first, and yet it’s gone.
42:00
Then the next thing they go after,
42:02
the other half of the First Amendment, Freedom of Religion.
42:06
They closed every church in this country for a year,
42:09
and they keep the liquor stores open, by the way,
42:12
without any hearing, without showing any science,
42:15
without notice and comment rulemaking,
42:18
no discussion, no debate.
42:21
They keep the liquor stores open as essential businesses.
42:23
Now, I have no problem with that, but– with keeping
42:27
the liquor stores open, but the liquor stores
42:28
are not in the Constitution.
42:30
The churches are.
42:31
And you know, and we shouldn’t be
42:33
able to close those lightly without having
42:35
a debate about it.
42:37
We– then they go after property rights.
42:42
They close a million businesses without due process
42:44
or just compensation.
42:46
That’s a violation of the Constitution.
42:49
They get rid of–
42:51
of jury trials, Sixth and Seventh Amendment.
42:54
Here’s what the Seventh Amendment says, “No American
42:58
shall be deprived of their right to a trial
43:02
before a jury of their peers in cases or controversies
43:06
exceeding $25.”
43:08
That’s it.
43:09
It’s the whole Amendment.
43:11
So there’s no pandemic exception.
43:15
There’s no– and yet, anybody now who claims to be doing
43:19
a countermeasure, if you are–
43:23
it’s not just the vaccine makers who you can’t get a jury trial
43:27
against if they kill you, but if you go into a hospital
43:30
and you slip on a slippery floor that somebody
43:34
negligently, you know, put bacon grease on,
43:38
you can’t sue for that.
43:41
You know, anybody who’s involved in this project, you can’t–
43:45
jury trials have been abolished.
43:48
They’ve gotten rid of the prohibitions
43:50
against warrantless searches and seizures,
43:52
and we’re now all part of this, you
43:54
know, track-and-trace surveillance state.
43:58
And on and on.
43:59
They literally have gotten rid of every Amendment except.
44:04
And they’ve gotten due process.
44:06
Due process of law.
44:07
Here’s what due process says.
44:09
If you want to pass a law in this country,
44:12
if Congress passes it, OK.
44:14
You know, we vote for Congress.
44:16
If we don’t like it, we can vote them out.
44:17
But if an agency passes it, they have
44:21
to do certain things to make sure there’s
44:23
democracy involved.
44:24
They have to put a notice of the rule-making,
44:29
publish the proposed rule.
44:32
They have to publish a environmental impact statement
44:35
explaining all the science behind the proposed rule,
44:38
citing the studies, citing their rationale.
44:41
An economic impact statement showing how each person
44:44
in society will get hurt.
44:46
And a regulatory impact statement, to make sure
44:49
the costs meet the benefits.
44:52
Then they have to have notice and comments.
44:53
So we get 30, or 60, or 90 days where
44:57
everybody sends in letters and says, this is going to–
45:01
For example, a guy could say, you know,
45:04
I own a kayak company.
45:06
I can’t put masks on my clients because it could
45:10
kill them if they fall over.
45:12
So I should be exempted.
45:14
Those are the kind of things you do with notice and comment.
45:16
And the government has to respond, narrowly tailor
45:20
the rule so it only does what it’s intended to do
45:22
and doesn’t affect other people.
45:25
And then you have a public hearing, where Tony Fauci could
45:28
bring in his experts to say why masks work, why lockdowns work,
45:31
why social distancing works.
45:34
And we can– other people who oppose him can bring in theirs.
45:38
And you have a case that’s published
45:40
and everybody watches it, and then there is an appeal.
45:43
None of that happened.
45:45
It was just a doctor who has never treated a COVID patient,
45:50
saying one week masks don’t work,
45:52
then a month later everybody putting them on,
45:55
and not signing one study to justify that change.
45:59
It was government by diktat.
46:03
And so, during that first year, we literally
46:07
got rid of every Amendment to the Constitution,
46:09
except the Second Amendment.
46:12
It’s the only one that’s left.
46:14
And you know, what I tell people is, you know, we have to–
46:22
have to love our freedom more than we fear a germ.
46:27
We have to.
46:28
And you know, even–
46:31
and I would even, you know, remind people that even if this
46:36
was the disease that they say it is,
46:39
there’s worse things than death.
46:41
And there was a whole generation–
46:43
and that may sound cold and people get mad at me
46:46
for saying it, but we’re lucky that it was a whole generation
46:50
of Americans in 1776, who said, it
46:55
would be better to die than to not
46:58
have these rights written down.
47:00
And they gave us that.
47:02
They gave us a gift of that Bill of Rights.
47:06
And in one year, at the bidding of a doctor,
47:09
because he’s telling us, you know,
47:11
you need to do this to save them, and orchestrated fear,
47:15
and, you know, all of the weird stuff
47:18
they did with the numbers, which is not what public health is
47:22
supposed to be doing, in one year, all of those rights
47:24
have been taken away from us.
47:26
And you know, we– we, Democrats and Republicans,
47:30
need to stop fighting each other and we need to start fighting
47:33
the bad guys, the people who are taking away everything
47:37
we value, everything.
47:39
There’s no such thing as Republican children
47:41
or Democratic children.
47:42
You know, our kids deserve to have the same Bill of Rights
47:46
that our parents gave us, and people need,
47:49
whatever their fears are, they need to put those aside
47:52
and, you know, and demand that we get those things back.
47:57
I– I think it’s a really moving summation.
48:02
It’s not just, and we could go on forever,
48:04
but just sum it up for us.
48:06
This is not just a domestic phenomenon,
48:08
the old system being swept away because of COVID.
48:11
I mean, this is– you describe it in the book as the end
48:14
of liberal democracy globally.
48:16
Right, and that, you know, I think I do a job in that book
48:20
that nobody has ever done before.
48:22
And I think it will become clear to people, when they read
48:25
the last chapter of this book, how this happened,
48:29
how all of these liberal democracies across the globe
48:32
pivoted simultaneously to obliterate
48:36
constitutional– to have a, as I said,
48:39
a coup d’etat against democracy globally,
48:43
and to impose totalitarian controls like nobody’s
48:47
ever experienced.
48:49
You know, people will sit around and say,
48:51
how did they all know what to do at the exact same time?
48:54
And I show that in this book exactly,
48:56
they had been planning it for 20 years.
48:58
And this is going to sound like paranoid and a conspiracy
49:02
theory, but you know, because you read it,
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that I document exactly what happened.
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Names, dates, and, you know, the involvement, really
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deep involvement of the intelligence agencies,
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of people from the bioweapons divisions
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of our militaries across the globe,
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you know, who are more aligned with China.
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The bioweapons developers, and China, and the United States
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were more aligned and loyal to each other
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than they were to the nations that they’re
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supposed to be defending.
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It’s a very odd phenomena, but I show
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how it happened meticulously.
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And I would urge people just, if you read nothing else, read
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the last chapter of that book.
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It’s called “Germ Games,” and you
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will understand how your government turned against you.
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TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I read it last night
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and stayed up till 2:00 in the morning.
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[laughs] It upset me.
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I got to ask one last question that’s not germane to any
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of this, but I just–
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I just can’t control myself, because it’s
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something of interest to me.
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So the Warren Commission, which was the commission that
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investigated the murder of your uncle in 1963, in Dallas,
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produced, you know, massive volume of paper.
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Nearly 60 years later, some of it is still classified.
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We just learned that it will not be– it was supposed
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to be released years ago.
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It still hasn’t been released.
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Given that virtually everyone directly involved is dead,
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why do you think those materials are still classified?
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ROBERT KENNEDY JR: It is a mystery.
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I mean, clearly, as you and I talked about, it’s not–
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it– it can’t be that they’re protecting an individual.
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They have to be protecting institutions.
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It’s weird, because, you know, I didn’t agree with Trump
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on a lot of stuff, but Trump was willing– one– one
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of the things about him, he was willing to defy
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institution and break things.
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Yeah.
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And he did not like the CIA.
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He promised he was going to release it.
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I know.
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And then he did it.
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And you know, I like–
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if I ever run into him again I’m going to ask him,
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you know, why–
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what made you change– what did they tell you,
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what did they tell you that made you change your mind?
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And of course, you know, I don’t–
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I have no idea what Biden’s thinking on this,
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but they all promise they’re going to release it,
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and then they all stop.
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And it’s, you know, our country really took a turn
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at that point in history, and it’s
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really important for Americans to really
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understand what happened.
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And you know, the Warren Commission was a whitewash.
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I don’t think any Americans– there’s almost no Americans,
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other than highly-placed people in The New York Times
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who believe the Warren Commission, you know?
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And so, I hope, at some point, you know, we–
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we do find out something about the truth.
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TUCKER CARLSON: You think we will?
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ROBERT KENNEDY JR: I don’t know.
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I’ve– I’ve given up making predictions, Tucker.
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[shared laughter]
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TUCKER CARLSON: I’ve got to say, I just want to say it again,
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of all the people who need to write a book like this,
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you’re at the very– you’re in last place.
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You had no reason to write this.
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But you did anyway, and I’m just really, really grateful
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for your bravery, and the meticulousness
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of your research, and your willingness to come on today.
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So thank you.
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Thank you for your courage in having me on, because I haven’t
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been on a TV show in 15 years.
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So, thank you.
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TUCKER CARLSON: We didn’t think twice.
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I was so impressed by it.
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Name of the book is “The Real Anthony Fauci.”
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Absolutely worth reading.
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Bobby Kennedy Jr. is the name of the guest.
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