THE FASCINATING CONVERGENCE OF PHYSICS AND THE BIBLE (@doomsdaydoug and @CWSteinle on Twitter)

November 28, 2021 S DOUGLAS WOODWARD

Source: https://faith-happens.com/the-fascinating-convergence-of-physics-and-the-bible/

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i do too uh of course you know believing
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in prophecy the way that we do
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whenever you know you encounter someone
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that really basically is you know sort
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of saying life insurance driving the
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ambulance in but in in cosmology
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basically saying well it’s inevitable
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that you know our planet’s going to be
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destroyed we’re all going to we’re going
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to we’re going to die as a species
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well you know that’s not what the bible
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says that’s true
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it is and and and yet this is one of the
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things that’s in the beginning of the
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book that is in the introduction that i
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want to stress
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that this
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this prophecy of the convergence of the
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material and spiritual world into the
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glorified state isn’t the main
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part of the gospel and it’s not the main
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focus of the bible but yet it is there
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it is there and and so we have to
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honor that
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and so that’s kind of what this book is
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doing
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although it’s going into a lot of other
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uh bring perhaps the non-believer
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into a state of understanding and i
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present uh three types of lines
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you know from high school we’ve got a
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segment yeah we’ve got a point with a
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line in one direction
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that is infinite
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from that point and then we’ve got a
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line that’s infinite in both directions
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and how that last one describes god
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the alpha and omega
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and that that starting point with
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infinity after it represents eternal
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life
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that that we’ve been given we’ve been
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granted through jesus
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and and that segment
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represents the life
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that the soul has been forfeited
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and jesus talks about that
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what it what good is it you know to
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obsess
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the whole world and forfeit one’s own
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soul and and i i have a chapter there i
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i get very evangelistic actually near
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the end of the book and and uh my wife
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tells me that’s an especially powerful
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chapter okay um so i haven’t read it yet
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i’ve got to get there
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yeah no that’s great that’s great well i
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want to um
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there’s a series of things that i wanted
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to kind of get to
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uh because i am you know interested in
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in physics and kind of the uh you know
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sort of where is physics right now so
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i’m going to kind of back you up uh and
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talk just about a few of these things um
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first off you you walk us through a
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series of i don’t know more than a dozen
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scientists
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and kind of sort of a building block
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effect like biographies yes with
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biographies and there’s sort of a
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building block effect in terms of okay
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what did this person do and then what
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did you know niels boers do and then
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what did hertz do and what did you know
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bunsen do and so you’ve got all these
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things and you know there’s some
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fascinating stories and uh
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it’s it truly is interesting
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um but i you know i guess first off
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what’s your rationale in in kind of
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telling us those things where are you
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going to go with that okay
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well kind of the basis of the book is
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just as
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philo used
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uh the classical philosophy of greece
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yes in order to uh
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make his commentary on the bible in an
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interesting way to the roman culture
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which was obsessed with greece and the
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greek language a lot of people don’t
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even realize the early church far
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fathers in rome wrote
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in greek and so it was that uh
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ubiquitous in the roman empire
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and so philo was looking to classical
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greek philosophy in order to make his
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commentary and relate it to the that
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terminology and then you go
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augustin and
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you’ve got uh him putting things in
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neoplatonic terms
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in order he talks about the first
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principle and and oneness and things
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like that that are right out of of that
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philosophy and so
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uh what occurred to me is we’ve got
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tools now instead of parables that go
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back to
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farming and trading and housekeeping
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and things like that
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we can go to quantum physics i mean the
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very cutting edge of human understanding
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of things and make these same parables
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then
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make these same connections as
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metaphorically
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uh representing what’s being said in the
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scripture not that any of those
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commentaries take the place of scripture
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but it was
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intended by all of these people as a way
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to connect a better way to communicate
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and so i’m using that same tool
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in this book and so i didn’t want the
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learning
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about quantum mechanics to be dry and
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over the heads of people and and right
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away when i began to study it
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these people
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who came up with this stuff they’re what
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they call polymaths yeah they they were
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so knowledgeable in so many different
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areas and i might go over one of one or
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two of those things sir isaac newton
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and he uh we know he studied the bible
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his bible studies and and mathematics uh
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uh chemistry and all those things were
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just as important to him and he spent
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just as much time with those he was a
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polymath as he did with uh his study of
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motion absolutely uh his laws of of uh
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what’s called
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newtonian
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uh physics or what’s what’s known as
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classical physics as opposed to quantum
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physics there’s only two
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right now
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and uh so he belonged to the royal
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society uh he was the first one in a
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paper in 1672
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watch sunlight pass through a small hole
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then through a prism
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and and see that white white is actually
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made up of colors and so he reported on
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that
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and uh one of the things he and i don’t
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know
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uh he very
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uh
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adamantly
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said that life was light was made of
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particles yes and this becomes quite the
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discussion so i want to make it so yeah
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newtonian classical the basis for
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physics all together
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the guy
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is
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saying light is a particle guys okay
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he’s laid it down then you’ve got
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christian huygens
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and uh he was a contemporary of newton’s
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and uh
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he
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was kind of uh most these guys were
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fairly wealthy
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they could set up labs they could do
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experiments they could go to the best
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schools and things like that fully
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funded yeah yeah his dad was a poet and
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a diplomat for the prince of orange
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anyway he wrote a paper in 18 i’m sorry
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1680
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on the motive power means
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of gunpowder and air
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now what is that he’s talking about a
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gun powder
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operated engine if we had gasoline
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uh back in those days we’d have skipped
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the steam engine all together this guy
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had it figured out and there’s there’s
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even some of his drawings
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uh in the book and what he had in mind
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and how it worked and his he actually
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did an experiment and lifted over a
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thousand pounds
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with this cylinder and piston device
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that was
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fired with gun powder i mean this guy’s
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a a poly map now
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he was about 250 years ahead of his time
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right
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yeah he started grinding lenses to uh to
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make telescopes
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and uh through one of his own
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telescopes in
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1655 he’s he identified the rings of
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saturn that it wasn’t just a planet with
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ears that’s kind of what they thought
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up until that point and he also
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saw tied titan the uh the biggest moon
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of saturn the first one to see that and
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write on it then in in 1678 he did his
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treatise on light
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and um
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what he
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he
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noticed was when light passes through a
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translucent substance that that it bends
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going in and it bends going out
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so now he’s going to he’s remembering
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his contemporary with newton
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and based on that he’s saying uh i think
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light’s a wave
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uh and he got a lot of flack i mean he
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was not accepted yeah okay but uh you
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don’t go against newton and get accepted
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right right that’s right the first guy
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that gets on top of the mountain
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basically is king of the hill and he
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knocks down anybody else that’s going to
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oppose his view
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so uh that we see that repeated again
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and again and again in science thomas
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young
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and he studied vision light mechanics
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energy
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um
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psychology language music harmony and
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egyptology okay
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at the age of 14 he was translating
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passages from the bible into 13
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languages
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uh including chaldean samaritan sumerian
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um
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syrian ethiopian yeah yeah yeah and uh
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so he invented a phonetic alphabet a
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universal alphabet
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we had that about 100 years ago what was
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that thing called i can’t remember
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universal alphabet yeah the universal uh
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language uh
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oh
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i give up it wasn’t klingon was it
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could have been okay he compared
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sentence structure and grammar of over
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400 languages where before the actual
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final translation of the rosetta stone
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in 1814 he’d already made remarkable
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progress he’d already almost translated
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the rosetta stone
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and so that’s that’s the kind of guy
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this was now in quantum physics what
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what did he do okay
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he had what’s called young’s uh
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interference experiment
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and so this is the first guy
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to come up with this double slit
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experiment okay
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and a lot of people
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may or may not be familiar with this but
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in other words you’ve got this this
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piece of cardboard or something and
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you’ve got two slits cut in it
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and then
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you let light shine through it
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and then you have something behind it
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that the light can hit
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well
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you would think
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that you’d end up with two rows
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of light
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on that back piece of uh
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cardboard the screen or whatever that’s
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at the back that’s coming through those
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slits and that is absolutely not what
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happens
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what happens is you get five or six
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bands
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of light coming through and the only way
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that can happen and he realized was if
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it was the same way as waves passing
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through those slits just like water
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ripples passing through and then you had
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interference between those waves you had
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crests and you had nodes
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and so then that’s the only thing that
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could cause that kind of pattern in hand
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so finally
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uh there was scientific evidence through
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him that light
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uh is a wave and uh and not a particle
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which becomes
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really crucial uh as you know i think as
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the story
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you tell goes in terms of of trying to
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decide okay is
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is all of the universe articles
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or is it
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waves james maxwell
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okay uh just because he was he graduated
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edinburgh academy published his first
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paper when he was 14 years old right and
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when he was 14 he’d already memorized
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the bible bible most people haven’t even
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read the bible by the time they’re 14.
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yeah that’s right so obviously
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photographic memory
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uh some some got it and some don’t
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so you’re talking about this um
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this debate
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niels bohr and and and einstein really
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eisenberg and boar
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uh
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against einstein kind of a team yeah and
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with someone else but anyway it’s it’s
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isn’t it generally sort of known as the
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bohr einstein debate of 19 it is it is
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yeah yeah yeah
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yeah
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more was uh had a lot more to do with it
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than than heisenberg but uh i do have a
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a wonderful quote at the beginning of
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the book by heisenberg
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uh i don’t know if you if you remember
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that but uh i do remember it before we
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get here in our study of quantum physics
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we we find out that there’s this duality
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of uh particle wave duality
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that uh apparently kind of like that old
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commercial for for the gum you know it’s
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both you know
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uh yeah
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all right
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or i don’t want to bring up the beer
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commercial uh oh please don’t you know
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yeah less filling tastes great but uh
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yeah yeah anyway uh how would i know
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about that that’s right
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anyway the uh
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advertising as hell
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so
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what happened is you had what they
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called uh
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the the copenhagen interpretation and so
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in the copenhagen

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in the copenhagen
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interpretation they finally resolved
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that there was this as einstein called
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it spooky action at a distance
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and basically for entanglement because
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what happens is when particles are
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entangled
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you you
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i have to touch back to this double slit
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thing one more time right okay and it’s
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very important because it’s brought up
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later and what they discover when it
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comes to particles and they do this with
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with electrons and photons and and uh
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and even atoms molecules they’ve done it
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with now and and uh
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so this wave pattern that’s created only
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happens when when somebody’s watching
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when it’s observed
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okay it only when it’s observed by
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something does if there’s a detector
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set up and even if you fire one photon
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at a time through these two slits
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they will end up in in these patterns at
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the back
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so how does a particle interfere with
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itself yeah
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unless it goes through both at the same
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time they just can’t
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can’t explain that
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but
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if there’s no detector if it’s not
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observed
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they form the two rows
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and act like particles
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just like you’d expect
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and and so they studied this more and
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more and and einstein they finally said
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we we just can’t explain this there’s no
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way we can explain it and um
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uh
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schrodinger uh
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schrodinger
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came up with um a solution basically a
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formula
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in which he was able to
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uh write a formula for the wave function
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that worked and actually solve problems
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but then you had
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this
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heisenberg uncertainty which said you
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can’t no once you observe a particle and
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you know its place basically you can’t
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know its momentum
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or other things about it or you can
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determine its momentum but then you
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don’t know where it is
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and and so this mystery uh
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what i call the quantum conundrum
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basically and so they were trying to
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come up they were trying to wrap put a
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wrapper on this thing
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and they called it the copenhagen
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interpretation and they basically
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said you know that that it’s just uh
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it’s just what happens and we can’t
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explain it
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and einstein didn’t like that right he
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didn’t like that it couldn’t be worked
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out in newtonian or classical physics
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and and he said there’s got to be some
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kind of locality
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yeah uh
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let’s do this i may this is where the um
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the the famous quote god does not play
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dice with the universe
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um which is really if if i understand it
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correctly was speaking to the fact that
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um you can’t know
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reality until someone observes it
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right and observes it reality doesn’t
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occur yeah he made a statement about the
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moon still being there yeah you know
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when he wasn’t looking at it but i’d
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like to think that
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even though even when i’m not looking at
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it right right so he was really against
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this uh this whole quantum mystery stuff
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and and he said no there has to be uh
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it has to be uh local and real yeah
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exactly
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versus sort of unreal i’m not sure what
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the probabilistic
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yeah yeah yeah that’s what this whole uh
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schrodinger thing was based on is the
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probabilities and that’s as close as
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they could get and einstein just didn’t
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like that at all so
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einstein came up with a thought
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experiment was called the epr paradox
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and that’s uh so podesky and rosen
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uh joined him so this was called epr
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einstein podeski rosen
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and their paradox and and so
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uh he thought that by examining this
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entanglement that he could find a flaw
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in the quantum theory
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it proved him wrong he said uh there’s
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got to be realism in in nature uh
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definite properties
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and and b there has to be locality these
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properties are not affected by
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measurement
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uh being performed on a particle at a
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distant location he said not not not a
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and b
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well
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they did this experiment
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and found out that entanglement violated
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both of those uh
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calls for realism both a and b it
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violated on both both counts
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and so it blew up in his face basically
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yeah and uh so he had to just uh back
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down i think the the next really
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interesting thing uh that you may have
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brought up is ibelle’s john bell’s
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inequality uh
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yeah and so this is pretty this is
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getting pretty deep but let me let me
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see if we can
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raise it up a little bit
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a little bit of a level above all right
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so where we’re going with this
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is that
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it appears to scientists at this point
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in the 20th century this is about the
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time of world war ii
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that it’s beginning to appear to
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scientists that
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there is that reality is a combination
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it’s not just light but reality itself
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is either a wave or a principle or it’s
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both
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uh at the same time and so sort of for
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if i’m not mistaken for the next 50
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years or so and even up to today
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there’s still
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this you know search for ultimate
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reality which is it is it one or the
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other
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and uh so take it from there
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all right well we you know what let’s
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let’s just skip and and say
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you know the whole reason we’re bringing
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that up
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uh
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and and we’re going through all this is
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is
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to get to the point where they’re
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examining
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uh
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multiple many universes multiple worlds
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yeah multiple worlds many worlds it’s
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the
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many worlds theory
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or uh parallel universes and things like
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that and and so
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and that’s kind of several today right
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scientists
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either absolutely believe in the
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multi-world theory or they absolutely
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don’t believe in it it’s it’s a heated
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debate
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that’s right
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okay and uh so there’s really two ways
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of uh approaching it
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um and and one is kind of a geometrical
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multiverse which just has to do with
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adding
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uh
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planes uh you know instead of three
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dimensions now now we’re adding time
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basically
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and then and then adding
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more instead of a cube you know we we’re
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uh it’s to the fourth it’s to the fifth
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it’s to the seventh in these geometrical
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figures that really can’t be
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understood
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even and the the facets or the planes of
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them can only be understood if you add
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time in various angles to that so that
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they can all exist at the same time so
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to speak
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and uh so a lot of this the 11
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dimensions or is this yeah it it it
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really is it’s it’s
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it’s kind of a combination
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uh there there’s kind of a combination
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in which the geometrical figure is
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associated
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with with different uh angles of time
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there’s there’s an angle of time where
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you can know about other places in time
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there’s an angle of time where you can
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actually cross over to other places
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there’s an angular time concept yeah
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there’s a time there’s one dimension in
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which you can
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know about them and pass through all of
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them at the same time and you get up to
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about the ninth one and they say that
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has to be god because
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it’s and then and then they usually say
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well there’s there’s one
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there’s got to be because of uh string
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theory
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there’s got to be one or two more than
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that the 10th or the 11th dimension
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and they really can’t explain much about
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that except that theoretically it has to
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exist too that’s what the math that’s
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what the math says according to this
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yeah yeah
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and and so that’s where they get the
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idea of maybe these multi
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mini worlds or the multi-universe comes
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from
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yeah and so another there’s really three
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theories another theory
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is
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that
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there are these branch points
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every time
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a particle is observed or or some kind
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of experiment is done
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that there’s a branch
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and there’s another universe
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created in other words if we go back to
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schrodinger’s cat which we really didn’t
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ex
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schroedinger was really disgusted with
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the whole idea
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of uh of this this paradox and the
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copenhagen thing and and uh and he said
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just to be absurd he said what if what
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if we put a cat in a box and we’ve got
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this uh this poisonous solution in there
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and it’s going to be activated by this
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radioactive
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device
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that’s going to send off enough
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particles and when it does at some point
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then it’s going to act it’s going to
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take a hammer and break this deal with
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the with the poisonous gas and the cat
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is going to die
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and
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and so he’s saying according to
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superposition
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and according to this idea that that
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everything exists in all places before
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it’s observed he said okay the cat’s
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dead and alive yeah at the same time
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until somebody looks at it it’s both
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dead and alive yeah and he was trying to
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make fun of the whole idea yeah but it
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became it became quite a deal but
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so in this
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cat you hear that mentioned a lot on big
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bang theory
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yeah
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paradox the clever paradox of physics
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right it is it is very cute there’s all
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kinds of drawings and i’ve got some
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pictures in the book too
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and uh this this idea of branch points
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and all of that is in this mini world’s
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interpretation and so what they would
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say
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is that cat is dead and alive it’s it’s
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dead in one universe and it’s alive in a
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different
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universe and and the fact that you
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observed it caused a branch point and a
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whole new universe was created shares a
71:05
common history but now it’s both
71:09
separated yeah well
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that that’s their idea and so that’s
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their explanation for how you can have
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multiple
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universes or parallel universes so all
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right so now we’ve got two ways of
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getting there we got the geometric way
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and then we’ve got this world’s way well
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uh philip ball uh has written a great
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article
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kind of disputing this whole mini
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world’s idea and he said he says there
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was just too many worlds and one things
71:38
that really bugs him is the whole idea
71:41
of self wh where where are you
71:45
you know if things keep splitting and
71:48
you’ve got common histories but then
71:50
you’ve got these new futures then which
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one of them is you
71:54
and and they’ll come back and say well
71:56
they’re all you
71:58
yeah and and yet
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uh there’s this concept that there
72:03
there’s an eye
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and um
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right right a self the self right okay
72:10
and and he says this violates everything
72:12
that we understand as far as the soul
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really and that’s what i talk about in
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the book he’s really talking about the
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soul he doesn’t use that word but that’s
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that’s the uh
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biblical understanding of of the soul
72:25
it’s our it’s our identity yeah and so
72:28
he kind of
72:30
pokes a lot of holes in that theory
72:32
well
72:33
then the next idea is the big bang
72:36
the idea that during this
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split
72:41
nanosecond of the
72:44
whatever caused the big bang yeah you’ve
72:47
got all these quantum fluctuations and
72:50
that as this is happening
72:53
different
72:54
laws of nature laws of physics
72:57
uh time and everything else are being
73:00
created and we we’re only seeing the
73:02
universe that we ended up in but all
73:05
these other universes were created in
73:08
that in that instant yeah basically so
73:10
we really have three ways they really
73:12
have three ways of getting there so that
73:14
they can build the case for
73:16
ultra-terrestrials
73:18
basically and for supernatural stuff and
73:20
that’s the whole thing we we all realize
73:23
based on what we call coincidences or
73:27
senses of presence or premonition or
73:32
you know all of those things lead us to
73:34
believe yeah there’s a spiritual world
73:37
there is something and and people can
73:39
even know
73:40
what’s going to happen in the future
73:42
sometimes and they and they really do
73:44
know
73:45
they’re really right you know they’re
73:47
they may only be a minute ahead of the
73:49
game but they’re they’re ahead of the
73:50
game how is this how is this happening
73:53
yeah and uh and maybe you experience
73:56
that yourself maybe somebody watching
73:58
yeah has experienced that yourself
74:00
nicholas cages in a movie called next
74:02
which was done i don’t know right 12
74:04
years ago yeah i saw that did you see
74:06
that yeah that’s that concept where he
74:07
he can see ahead not very long maybe
74:09
like 30 minutes or maybe just a moment
74:12
or so but just that
74:14
that being being able to see what’s
74:16
coming next allows him to
74:18
to branch off and to do something
74:20
different than what what would have
74:22
happened if he hadn’t seen it
74:24
and uh so what’s happening here is that
74:27
theoretical physics is coming to the
74:30
same conclusion
74:33
as the bible is laying out there’s a
74:35
material physical world
74:38
and there is a spiritual or glorified or
74:41
heavenly
74:42
realm
74:44
and and they they’re coming into
74:46
agreement
74:47
and so i mean man if you can believe
74:50
that a new universe is created
74:53
how many times a minute or a second
74:55
right and then and that you’re in
74:57
another pl how hard is it to believe in
74:59
the virgin birth
75:01
how hard is it to to believe that in the
75:04
incarnation of jesus how hard is it to
75:07
believe there’s going to be this
75:09
convergence of heaven and earth this
75:11
this this singularity of the two realms
75:14
that’s coming up and and so there’s no
75:18
it’s it’s a more realistic it’s a more
75:21
it’s more plausible
75:23
than what theoretical
75:25
successors are proposing yeah but it is
75:29
uh essentially as you know in reading
75:31
your book and your explanation or
75:33
someone’s explanation that you quote you
75:35
know you you essentially have it’s it’s
75:38
the concept of what’s called you’ve used
75:41
the term superposition several times
75:43
which when you get into quantum quantum
75:44
computing which because i have a
75:46
computing background uh you know you
75:48
hear that phrase a lot but it’s
75:50
essentially saying it’s a it’s a state
75:52
of of indeterminate you know you’re not
75:55
it’s not determinate whether it’s the
75:57
spins going this way the spins going
75:59
this way or the spins going both ways at
76:01
the same time and uh but the concept of
76:04
superposition is sort of saying it’s not
76:07
realized until something happens
76:10
that sort of freezes it and causes it to
76:13
you know particularize or whatever or
76:15
become
76:16
real in the einstonian sense but waves
76:19
sort of won the battle right but i think
76:22
what you’re arguing and what others are
76:25
are trying to argue is that it’s not as
76:27
simple as to say
76:29
waves one and that particle’s lost you
76:32
know it that’s an unsatisfactory answer
76:35
just like it was for einstein you know
76:37
einstein could not get comfortable with
76:38
that answer but that’s kind of where if
76:41
i understand your book right that’s kind
76:43
of where
76:44
the theoretical physicists today just
76:46
say you know what
76:48
that’s just the way it is that’s right
76:50
that’s right so just get over it you
76:53
know exactly
76:54
that’s what they’re saying it’s a matter
76:55
of faith right
76:57
right right and a lot of uh a lot of the
77:00
physicists are saying now you know we’ve
77:02
been doing that for
77:04
some 50 years and maybe it’s time we try
77:07
again to figure this out yeah yeah so
77:10
they they just come up with wackier and
77:12
wackier ideas right as you can tell yeah
77:15
yeah so well maybe we have to just leave
77:18
it there it’s you know the uh you’re you
77:21
walk the reader through
77:23
you know this um it’s sort of a maze
77:27
it’s amazing and it’s amazed also of of
77:30
building layer upon layer the way that
77:33
basically physics physicists have worked
77:36
you know uh
77:38
together to ultimately build a structure
77:41
that
77:42
you know we would find we almost find it
77:44
hilarious it’s just it’s so ridiculous
77:48
and yet that’s where
77:50
the physicists have arrived at and i
77:53
think that’s also why you know they talk
77:55
now they talk about the crisis in
77:58
physics
77:59
and you hear some people say
78:01
based upon what we’re observing now what
78:03
we’re learning now what we’re theorizing
78:05
now everything that’s gone before we
78:07
just have to say it was just wrong
78:11
and that’s kind of where they’re at from
78:12
what i understand
78:14
yeah you know and and going back to the
78:16
very definition of quantum again
78:20
uh what they’re trying to
78:22
get at and and uh
78:24
max planck is is really the one who came
78:28
up with what’s called planck’s constant
78:30
uh which which even einstein applied
78:34
uh in order to find wavelength of
78:37
various things
78:39
the word atomos in the greek is simply
78:42
means it’s uh
78:44
uncuttable and it’s as small as
78:48
yeah can’t be divided indivisible
78:50
and amazingly enough even the early uh
78:54
greeks understood
78:56
uh the adam
78:58
amazingly well and i don’t know how i
79:00
don’t know how they got it
79:02
but
79:03
from
79:04
spiritual understanding is what i
79:07
believe well from the very beginning
79:09
though
79:10
they said the adam was eternal and and
79:13
to the scientists
79:15
that meant
79:18
that
79:18
the adam basically was god yeah okay and
79:22
and so that whole notion of evolution
79:25
has spun off
79:27
really from that
79:29
but if you
79:30
if you go back and say the bible would
79:33
say the that the universe has come god
79:36
created from nothing so the atom did not
79:39
exist there was a time where god created
79:41
all of the atoms that are in the
79:43
universe today
79:44
that you could say it’s the big bang or
79:46
however he did it or whenever he did it
79:48
but that would be in contra that would
79:51
be in contradiction to what the greeks
79:52
were saying
79:54
if if i understand what you just said
79:55
correctly yeah and it’s we see it we see
79:57
that in uh in hebrews in chapter 11 as
80:00
well by faith you know we believe in the
80:03
things
80:04
that exist
80:06
were created from the unseen that’s a
80:09
paraphrase
80:10
basically but uh the same thing is
80:12
stated there but in the book i i go into
80:14
this conversation of well then who who
80:17
made the atoms
80:19
um or are they the eternal god do the
80:22
atoms have a spirit or soul that drives
80:25
them to express themselves in ever
80:27
higher forms
80:29
and then
80:30
are the atoms aware of their progress
80:33
towards some goal
80:35
and
80:36
would they be
80:38
disa well they know when they’ve
80:39
achieved it and when they be
80:41
disappointed
80:42
if if they never advance beyond a rock
80:45
you know
80:47
and and so this whole idea that that the
80:49
the atoms you know have been there and
80:52
they’re just doing this thing on their
80:54
own right you know and um it’s it’s so
80:58
ridiculous well it’s uh you know i used
81:00
to i was kind of uh in philosophy major
81:03
more or less and it was there was a
81:05
saying i forget who it was it said it he
81:06
said there’s nothing that has ever been
81:08
said that is so absurd that a
81:10
philosopher somewhere hasn’t said it
81:14
yeah
81:15
i agree with that yeah yeah so well
81:18
listen um let’s let’s wrap up we can’t
81:20
solve all these problems and give you
81:22
all the explanations but we’ve tried to
81:24
touch on the many worlds theory
81:26
entanglement quantum mechanics we’ve
81:29
tried to sort of you know chris’s what
81:31
chris is driving towards is that there
81:33
is a ultimately a singularity a unity
81:36
between um
81:38
you know reality between what we observe
81:41
what is
81:42
um
81:43
ultra dimensions the supernatural the
81:45
natural um they come together and uh and
81:49
so if you are interested in
81:52
understanding kind of the history of
81:54
that if certainly if you are
81:56
uh if you dabble in science
81:59
and if you’d like to have a christian
82:01
perspective on how these things come
82:04
together then you know chris has written
82:06
the book for you um it’s it’s called uh
82:10
the singularity prophecy
82:12
and uh how soon is it going to be
82:13
published chris do you think
82:16
well okay it’s it’s out in pre-paperback
82:19
right now okay at kendall
82:22
and uh yeah it’s uh it’s a very
82:24
reasonable price and and that kindle
82:26
price will go up once the paperback
82:29
is published and so uh
82:31
i’d encourage people to go ahead and get
82:33
it save a few bucks yeah i mean it’s
82:36
it’s it’s uh well i won’t give out a
82:38
price because we want this podcast to be
82:41
immortal okay that’s right yes like an
82:43
atom we want it to be immortal and so uh
82:46
anyway so uh chris and i have enjoyed
82:49
being entangled for you uh at this point
82:52
so that we could
82:54
try to explain some of these really
82:55
heavy concepts
82:56
and
82:58
anyway so
83:00
next week i’m actually going to talk to
83:02
another physicist
83:05
if things go as planned uh dr lambert
83:07
dolphin who uh is a great
83:10
uh evangelical of note and he’s agreed
83:13
to come on the program and we’re gonna
83:15
talk about some of his incredible work
83:18
in uh in various areas including remote
83:21
viewing as well as his uh his testimony
83:24
which is fabulous so uh so i hope you
83:26
can join us for that so uh anyway chris
83:29
steinle thank you so much for thank you
83:32
doug part of the show and wish you every
83:35
success with the book and i think i owe
83:37
you an endorsement which i’ll write up
83:38
for you before too long
83:40
all right brother i think i’ve absorbed
83:42
enough of it now i can i can write up an
83:44
endorsement for you so cliff notes cliff
83:47
notes absolutely all right all right so
83:49
until uh next time uh god bless you
83:53
bye
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