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necessity of seeing this cause through to its end i don’t know maybe that’s wrong i think it’s possible that’s one
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workable theory the other theory is that they just don’t they never had a plan for this
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and they’re completely incompetent and that biden never thought and his people never thought that russia would actually
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call their bluff and retaliate uh and here we are
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this has been their project since you know the obama administration where biden helped oversee he was the point
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man along with victoria nuland or so the point people in uh the coup of 2014 and after the
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coup 2014 he was the main guy he went to ukraine a number of times spoke before the parliament and you know the irony
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of him asking people to sacrifice their livelihoods higher gas prices global hunger when his own family is
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profited so handsomely off of his own pet project in ukraine when his son hun when his son hunter got
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that board seat so they just don’t think they don’t think in normal terms they feel entitled to pillage entire entire countries to
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provoke russia and as max says they don’t think that russia will ever retaliate i mean this is nothing new i
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have the clip here max of adam schiff from two years ago when trump was impeached for briefly
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pausing some weapons to ukraine while simultan was simultaneously asking ukraine to help
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investigate joe biden’s alleged corruption there and what what did adam schiff say well my favorite trump tweet
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of all time by the way was adam [ __ ] but let’s just uh this so this is this is adam schiff you
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know two years ago two years before russia invaded
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you have to push play that’s his new united states age ukraine and her people
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so that we can fight russia over there and we don’t have to fight russia here the united states age ukraine and her
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people so that we can fight russia over there and we don’t have to fight russia here
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and remember aaron this that logic was essentially codified by the text of the of the article’s
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impeachment of impeachment for the first trump impeachment because remember the logic was
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that trump had betrayed the nation yes on account of i forget the exact
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wording now but giving some sort of aid and comfort to what would have to be the enemy right so it didn’t undermine our
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network was it this permanent enemy but but it also was undermining our national security somehow because trump possum
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weapons sales to ukraine that that no shipments were actually ever delayed no exactly yeah yeah and so and so the
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point about adam schiff uh uh statement where he says that we aid ukraine so that we can fight russia
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over there and so we don’t have to fight them here well then it’s obvious if you don’t want russia to fight ukraine over there don’t
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use ukraine to fight russia from here but that’s been the u.s policy and yet there’s somehow been the shock when
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russia finally after eight years of the miss accords going nowhere nato continues to expand when biden
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takes office zalenski cracks down on russia’s allies he bans russian tv
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networks he signs all these cooperation agreements with nato and the u.s to
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further integrate ukraine into nato’s military architecture as max said the attacks on the donbass increase i have
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the numbers here so february 15 2022 uh 41 explosions in the ceasefire areas
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this is according to the osce monitoring mission yeah i confused it with the oecd
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so february 15th 41 explosions in the ceasefire areas february 1676 explosions
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february 17th 316 explosions february 18th 654 explosions february 19th uh
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1413 explosions and finally uh february 20th and 21st
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2026 explosions and february 22nd 1484 explosions and then two days later
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russia invades so in the period leading up to russia’s invasion there was a huge amount of ceasefire violations and the
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vast majority were happening on the rebel-held side meaning that the ukrainian side was shelling the
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rebel-held areas which was taken by russia to be a sign of an imminent ukrainian attack and i don’t know if
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that is true or not that ukraine was actually going to attack but russia says that they perceived it that way and
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certainly the fact that there’s this massive increase in attacks
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does lend some weight to that argument i don’t think it proves it but it does lend some weight to it
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just a just a very quick point maybe we should wrap up on yeah yeah thanks for being so generous generous with your
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time michael yeah yeah no problem i hope you’re right you’re again you’re on the front lines of a conflict zone you’re in
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the field so we really respect any anything for you fellas i want to make a quick point because i i
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found some pretty interesting history recently because you know when that whole lithuania thing started to flare up where lithuania is
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cutting off the rail transport between mainland russia and uh kaliningrad
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it got me thinking okay so let’s let’s just briefly revisit how lithuania even ended up in nato in the first place and
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then came under this collective security uh guarantee and biden was actually the
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chief whip in the senate for ratifying the membership of the baltic states yeah
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in 2004 under george w bush he worked directly with george w bush in doing this and the senate vote
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actually happened at the peak of the iraq invasion so in may 2003
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when that fervor was at a fever pitch and joe biden was going around saying
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and you can watch his speeches on the floor of the senate he was saying that look these baltic states however small they
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may be they’re mighty because they’re helping us wage the war on terror so basically he and bush were of one
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mind in framing the offering of nato membership to the baltic states
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in particular as a reward for their participation in the iraq war and the afghanistan war and
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so but then biden continued on in formulating this logic by saying look
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the trajectory that estonia lithuania on as of today in 2004 we have to pursue
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this to its full conclusion and at a certain at some point down the line speaking in 2004
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you know what other country is going to follow that trajectory joining nato ukraine and biden i checked biden was
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the only senator who even mentioned ukraine at that point in 2004 like it wasn’t really a live
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issue yet for biden it was so that’s why i’m kind of increasingly disposed to suspect that
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there’s something unique to biden’s kind of world view where this has been central for some whatever ideological
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reason for a long time and it’s making it so that he’s more impac implacable than maybe the
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average politician might in rejecting the idea that the u.s policy might change course
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in ukraine today because it you know it really does go back deep with him but what’s amazing about biden presiding
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over the expansion of nato to the baltic states was that in 1997 i have the clip here max if you want to play it he had
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warned that expanding nato to the baltic states is the one thing that could be done to provoke a war with russia
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yeah let’s uh let michael go now and uh then we’ll play the clip and wrap up
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if that’s all right you want to stay you can hang out i mean i’ll state a you’re a trooper mike
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okay one second
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he speaks really clearly in these it’s odd i think the one
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place where the greatest consternation would be caused in the short term for admission
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having nothing to do with the merit and preparedness of the country to come in would be to admit the baltic states now
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in terms of nato russian u.s russian relations
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and if there was ever anything that was going to tip the balance were to be tipped in terms of a vigorous and hostile
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reaction i don’t mean military in russia it would be that so the way i look at the calculus here
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i think and then and then you know later on all these countries the baltic states bulgaria romania though they were all in
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the same class of nato expansion in o4 they’re all jostling to prove how loyal
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they are to the u.s in waging the war on terror and actually in that same group in terms
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of competing to demonstrate their loyalty to the us was ukraine ukraine was the number three
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largest military in the coalition of the willing during the iraq war right only after the
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u.s and the uk so i mean basically there was this this transactional thing where they’re saying look we’re supporting
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you in the iraq war then we expect a reward on the back end which is the u.s expediting nato membership and joe
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biden was integral in acceding to that well and another
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point is uh to consider biden’s rep in representing the emerging trend
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of liberal internationalism which is essentially synonymous with neoconservatism in my view
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as a counterweight to what had been a not necessarily dominant but
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highly influential stream of thinking in u.s foreign policy circles prior to the clinton administration and during the
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cold war which is realism you could consider henry kissinger to be
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an icon of realism but also james baker the secretary of state to george h.w bush
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and when the wall came down and ukraine was declared independent of the soviet union its own
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independent republic george h.w bush delivered the chicken kiev speech where if you watch it today
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he warned about everything that is taking place internally inside ukraine
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nationalism civil war and massive corruption conflict
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that speech completely contrasts with every message biden delivered in the 90s and going forward into the 2000s
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and now biden is sort of in the driver’s seat although he can’t really ride a bike
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yeah i mean biden is not a realist and if there was a realist in the white house right now
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you know i think things will look pretty different so i just think you know yeah it’s a folly to underestimate the amount
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incredible amount of latitude that a president has especially in the realm of foreign policy and you know for better
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or worse largely worse at this point u.s foreign policy does i think reflect biden’s
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sincerely held beliefs i wouldn’t be surprised that there’s a connection between
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the countries in eastern europe who operated secret prisons on behalf of the cia and nato lithuania joined nato in
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- poland there are tons of black sites in poland what i’m saying is what i’m saying is
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like lithu i wonder if lithuania getting to join nato in 2004 was a reward for
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going along with the secret prisons as well remember what donald rumsfeld called lithuanian the baltic states he
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called them new europe and contrasted them with old europe that wasn’t going along with the war yeah by the way max on the last stream i
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was on with you and uh and anya in march i said that you know because i had been
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to poland recently in this place yeshif where they’re constructing basically a new military us
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military outpost i said about a number of people had told me that the
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plan here you know whatever the outcome of the ukraine wore was that this was going to become ramshein 2.0 in poland
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and lo and behold biden that the nato summit announces that that base is not permanent and it’s
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going to be expanded and it’s going to be you know the home of this particular army unit so
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that came to pass well
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democracy is being defended and um
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you know these these are encouraging times that that right there that base is a
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base of the the liberal world order and um anyway thank you again for
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for your time i wanted to um address we got a lot of comments about your chest
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hair michael and i wanted to address that real quickly by saying that at the gray zone we
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only show contempt to mainstream media men who shave their chests because that’s become a trend and
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that we welcome and celebrate chest hair here as our uh daily act of personal
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reclamation yeah and i can only assume the commenter is jealous by the way one uh definitely
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i heard a theory on twitter that the reason erdogan called on me is because he saw my body
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hair i mean this took me for a turk
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well shared shared values seems plausible seems plausible shared follicles i mean the proof is in the
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eating that’s all i can say i’m going to put that on a t-shirt a zelansky muscle t-shirt
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thank thanks everyone for all the super chats thanks for the running commentary
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the our chats the chats are always super amusing and uh informative can i correct one max someone said i wax i do
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not wax i just want to correct that i i’m just efficient in body hair i could use some of mike’s
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he doesn’t i’m all i’m all natural baby and i need i’m gonna actually have trans i’m gonna have transplants from
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michael’s chest hair to my eyebrows because i have yeah let me get on that aaron i i have plenty to spare in case
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you’re thank you thank you genuinely interested all right well uh thanks everyone uh for
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for joining we’re gonna be broadcasting live next week in green muscle teas from snake island so stay tuned for that
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uh slava raytheon and uh we’ll see you in kiev
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peace peace everybody thank you michael bye-bye –